THERMOSTATS AND CABIN HEAT

RANS S-7

 

2010/06/26

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                                      Topics:

The Problem with radiators

Keeping the oil hot

Permacool internals

The Permacool problem

Thermostasis better than a Permacool

Why a Bypass Thermostats

BMW

Motorad

Maximizing air flow

 

The problem

While capturing muffler heat is an option on the S7, a more effective approach is to use engine coolant through a small rad in the cabin. Some people have packaged a 5x7” Earl's oil cooler with a muffin fan hooked in parallel with the main rad but more than one person has said it is inadequate. Perhaps by looking at the factors which affect heat transfer we could make it work better.

 

The amount of heat we can get from the rad is proportional to the difference between the coolant temp and ambient temp so it is important to keep coolant temp high. One approach is to block off the cold air flow to the rad with duct tape or a moveable shutter; another is by installing a thermostat.

 

There is no doubt in my mind that coolant and oil thermostats are a necessity. They work flawlessly and consistently with no monitoring and maintain temps right where we want them.

 

Oil Thermostats and keeping the oil hot:

An oil thermostat like the Permacool unit that Lockwood sells does a fine job of keeping oil temp constant IN COOL air temps.  With no cover over the inlet to the oil cooler it will peg the temp at the thermostat rating in all but the coldest weather.  

 

The Permacool thermostats work very well for (both water and oil) during the cooler months and do an excellent job of keeping the oil temp constant in cold weather but appear to restrict cooling when we really need it in very high ambient temps due to not fully closing the bypass circuit allowing some hot oil to avoid the cooler.

 

These thermostats operate a little differently from the way an automobile coolant thermostat works. In a car, when the system is cold, the thermostat restricts the flow of coolant and only allows full flow when the coolant warms up.  In the Permacool thermostat, when the oil is cold, a valve is open which allows the full oil flow to avoid going through the oil cooler; as the oil heats up this valve closes forcing the oil to go through the cooler.

 

If you open one up you can see notches in the circumference where the large washer closes the flow of oil across the unit (the valve) which it does when hot to force the oil to go via the cooler. These notches allow about 10% of the oil flow to avoid or bypass the cooler which is not what we want. The unit can be machined to remove most of the notches thereby making ALL the oil go through the cooler.  This was confirmed in a test by a guy in BC.

 

Further down are pictures of this unit and details on the modification.

 

Some data:

The unit is shipped with a 77 C (171F)pellet (or “waxstat) so unless you change it that is the highest temp you will see IN COLD weather when the thermostat is limiting temp and this is too low for oil.

 

Most (if not all) automobile thermostats have a pellet that fits the Permcool so you can select whatever temp you want for any car at an auto parts store. You will have to carefully remove a ring pressed on to the pellet which is not used when in the Permacool. The highest temp you can find is maybe 195 F which is fine.

 

Lockwood ships units with ½” pipe thread openings and fittings to fit. The racing shops sell both ½ and 3/8” pipe thread. 3/8” is more than enough for the oil lines since the ID is about 7/16” like existing lines. Smaller fittings are lighter and take less space or you can go to aluminum fittings from the racing shops. The ½” pipe models work fine to control coolant flow in the winter. You would order 3/8”MIP x ½” hose fittings which are readily available. Three straight and one 90 work well on an S7.

 

Permacool Internals

 Below is a picture of a pellet (wax stat) from the Permacool.

 

The pellet on the left is from the Permacool; the one on the right from an automotive thermostat. When installed the one on the left has a large stainless washer similar to the formed ring around the one on the right. The size of the ring is almost the same as the washer and could probably be used but to be certain, the ring on the right can be removed and the same washer used. I have replaced the 171 degree pellet with the one on the right which is 195 for oil (for coolant I’m using 180).

 

Changing the thermostat “pellet” is quite straight forward. Removing the retaining ring allows the piston to slide out followed by the pellet.

 

NOTE re oil temps when using the Permacool thermostat.

 This unit does an excellent job of maintaining a constant oil temperature and thus is very slick for winter operation. There is a problem during operation at 30 deg C OAT however in that the design of the bypass is such that even when the bypass is closed when we want all oil to go through the cooler it is not a perfect seal and allows some oil to bypass the cooler raising temps by maybe 10 C or so. This can be fixed with some machining of the seat. Below is a view of the seat which has been machined. You can see that two of the four notches have been removed; parts of the other two are still visible.

 

Since about  .1” has been removed, I inserted a similar length into the pellet pin socket to move the pellet that much closer to the seat. I also cut one coil off the spring.

 

Thermostasis thermostat

This unit is fairly new on the market and appears to have removed or reduced a couple of the issues with the Permacool. Here is a picture of one with some aluminum fittings added (it does not come with the hose barbs).

Physically it is a little smaller than the Permacool and in a more elegant package. Functionally it is the same as the Permacool except it is available in a variety of temperature settings up to 205 F so no exchanging of the wax stat is needed and it allows a much smaller amount (2%) of the oil to bypass the cooler when hot so internal modification should not be required.

 

The price is over double the Permacool but it is worth it.

 

 

Keeping Coolant at the right temperature:

In one experiment, I installed a Permacool thermostat (normally used in the oil system) in the coolant lines to speed warm-up and maintain the right temp. Here is a picture of the lines going to and from the rad on the floor between front and rear seats and the thermostat (rad on the left, engine on the right):

Caution. While the Permacool works very well in this application in the winter, because its fittings are max ½” pipe, it will restrict the flow of coolant which will likely cause overheating during hot summer operation. There may be enough material to allow boring it out to take 1” tubing but I have not tried this. Also for summer use the seat would have to be machined as mentioned below.

 

See below for a better solution using a BMW thermostat and a Motorad (both full bypass thermostats)

 

Bypass Thermostats

There are several methods that incorporate a thermostat to control temperatures. The oil thermostats units mentioned above, bypass the radiator by simply offering a shorter path through the movement of one valve. The alternative path through the cooler is still open so some of the liquid may still take it but most will take the easier route.

 

Another method when flow restriction is an option (it is not an option with oil) is to just close off the flow leaving only a small aperture for minimal circulation, or close it off totally and include a small diameter bypass route.  Both of these methods cause greatly reduced circulation through the engine when cold which could result in hot spots and the second with the permanent bypass results in not all the coolant going through the radiator when hot which reduces cooling capacity.

 

A better alternative is a full bypass thermostat which is a dual valve system which results in both full flow through the engine when cold or hot and  zero flow through the rad when cold for fastest warm up time.

 

There are two of these units from the automotive area which are worth looking at.

 

BMW

This unit available from NAPA stores in the US works well in the coolant system without any modifications The one down side is that it is made for 1 ¼ hose so some adaptation is needed.

Here is one about to be installed under the seat in an S7.

The markings on the cardboard show the two tubes which carry the coolant to and from the rad. The cross hatching is the rad with the inlet and outlet shown as two circles. The fact that the housing is for 1  1/4 hose actually works out fine at the rad since the rad fittings are  1 ¼” (Rans has welded a 90 degree fitting on the 1” aluminum tubes to increase size to the 1 ¼ rad fittings. These are no longer needed with the BMW but reduction is need further along).

 

 I bought a preformed hose at the auto parts store to get the two 90's that connect the thermostat to the radiator (not shown here) and the 45. The aluminum lines have to be shortened and a bead put on them (or, better, get some new pipe and keep the originals in tact; you’ll need two 2’ lengths if you take hose out through the firewall as I did). (You could also put ½” Ts in these lines to hook up to a cabin heater rad). Eventually I'll get the T and reducing fittings welded up in aluminum.

The housing has two valves in it which move together near the "H" and "C" marked on the housing. When cold they are to the left so the coolant coming in on the top left pipe is routed to the T on the right and back to the engine bypassing the rad. When hot they are to the right forcing the coolant out the left side, into the rad and back out to the engine.

 

Here it is tucked under the pilot seat on a 94 S7 (rad to the left; engine to the right):

 

And here is a pic of the hoses exiting the firewall with a baffle to insulate them from the exhaust stack heat:

This setup worked very well winter and summer.

 

Motorad bypass thermostat.

This unit works internally exactly like the BMW but has a more useful geometry.

Here is one version of the Motorad thermostat and copper/brass elbow/T  to complete the bypass circuit:

 

This version is made out of brass so goes well with copper pipe fittings (some of the same type are made out of aluminum). The two on the right are ¾ copper x ¾ female pipe and had to be machined to fit the 1 ¼ thermostat pipes (as did the bypass fitting which uses ¾ hose).

 

There is no need to retain the full 1” diameter on the bypass circuit because we only need enough flow to prevent hot spots while the engine warms up. Here it uses ¾” hose; likely you could get by with ½” (when hot there is no circulation through this bypass).

 

This fits nicely within the motor mount on this 2000 S-7 short tail. Below is prior to the installation:

 

Here it is installed:

 

 

You can make out the uncovered ¾” pipe on the hot side of the thermostat. This will be convenient as a source of coolant for the cabin rad along with another T in the return side.

With some slightly different fittings it should also work well above the rad in an S7S model. Watch for an update on this later.

 

On this installation, prior to installing the thermostat, it took 5 minutes for the coolant temp to come up to the 140 degree mark. After installation it took about a minute and was up to normal operating in 3 minutes (on a 26 C day)

 

Back to Cabin Heat

Another factor which will affect cabin heat is the amount of air moved over the cabin heater rad. Because the muffin fan doesn’t move a lot of air and re-circulates existing air, I decided to use a supply of external air. I think this will also tend to keep the moisture level down and be a safety factor. The slipstream air enters a 2” central vac elbow and is routed to the rad through an automotive 2” flexible aluminum hose to a shroud around the rad. Probably not everyone would want to add such un-aerodynamic protrusions to their works of art. I tend to like function ahead of form.

 

This is the rad with shroud:

 

 If this unit works well I may make a more elegant shroud out of fiberglass as well as experiment with a shroud on the bottom (outlet) to route some heated air to the passenger but the way it is seems to push some heated air under the seat anyway.

 

The coolant shut off valve is at the bottom right. Shutting off the flow at the valve does not stop heat transfer into the rad from the coolant so you are always getting some heat off the rad.  This is of some concern in summer when you don’t need it.

 

First flight was on a -10 C  (about 15F) and cabin temp was quite comfortable. I’ll take some temp measurements next time.

 

Another short tail installation:

 

Here is another heater installation which taps into the cabin floor pipes to/from the rad in a 94 short tail:

At top right is the valve to shut off the flow and on the hex fitting at the rad is an air valve to help with bleeding the air out when filling the system and also to put some air in there when the heat isn’t needed in the summer. Here is another view from the side.

 

And this is the central vac elbow that feeds it:

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